Advice Please
I am about to turn 23 years old. I earned a Bachelor's degree in Classical Studies (Ancient Greek) from Tulane University in 2008. I have since returned home to Lafayette, LA and am currently working as a paralegal with a large law firm. I am on good terms with the attorneys and the partner who owns the firm. I originally planned to go to law school. Going to LSU, Loyola, or Tulane law school and then returning to work with law firm until retirement is a safe bet for me.
I am interested in city planning. I was appointed to the Board of Zoning Adjustment, and I was just interviewed for a vacancy on the Planning and Zoning Commission - I'll have to resign my Board appointment if I get it. I'm an avid reader, and I am going through Dr. Alan Altshuler's books right now.
I have a 3.4 GPA and a 163 on the LSAT, which places me right in the middle as far as law schools go. I can never get into Harvard or Yale, and given the civilian tradition of Louisiana, LSU (a poorly ranked school) is just as good as any for law.
In other words, law schools offer a rather do or die scenario. The very best schools will get you BIGLAW, everything after the top twenty schools may as well not even be ranked.
I am studying for the GRE, and because the only material tested is vocabulary and basic mathematics (algebra and geometry), I have hopes of doing much better on the GRE. I anticipate a score of around 1500-1600. Allowing this, I think I could get into a much better school for urban planning than I could for law. Harvard or MIT perhaps.
Any advice for a young professional who is naive and foolish? I'm looking for a career that will afford me respect, money, and eventually the ability to be my own boss. How does urban planning fare in these respects?
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If money is on your want list, I’d advise you...
You said... “I'm looking for a career that will afford me respect, money, and eventually the ability to be my own boss. How does urban planning fare in these respects?”
If money is on your want list, I’d advise you to pick another profession.
As for being your own boss, you need to have a good head for business, plus the ability to sell yourself and your services, regardless of your profession.
As professionals go, planners don’t make a lot (it’s not rocket science… any reasonably articulate person can perform most planning work with little training). The majority of planners work in municipal planning departments at whatever the local salary scale is for civil servants. Other planners work at consulting firms for similar pay but less job security. Outside of urban design, which is really an architecture-based profession unto itself, private sector planning consultants nowadays mainly produce various kinds of environmental impact studies and reviews, mandated by the public sector, especially in California where this has become something of a cottage industry for consulting firms (just check the job ads for planners in California and try to find any which do not require prior CEQA experience).
I didn’t mention LEED… it seems to be the hot area for jobs at the moment. To me in terms of everyday work, it’s just a variation on CEQA… somewhat repetitious work to assure that a project is LEED-certified, which means in California, at least, every project will now need to be CEQAfied and then LEEDified too… so hence a new profit center for the consultants.
Please do not misunderstand me… I don’t mean to ridicule the importance of environmental or sustainability considerations in planning… they are important and somebody has to do it. Rather, I’m just advising that you ask yourself whether you personally want to spend your workdays involving yourself in what is (mostly) repetitious and somewhat mundane work with little prospect that it will lead to anything more exciting in your career.
There are, of course, other things you could do with your planning degree… work for a real estate developer, for example, with the added benefit that there are better prospects for money here. Many planners, especially those in academia or government, don’t understand real estate development, which is a shame because that is where in reality many planning decisions get made. (Personally, I think that all planners should be required to spend perhaps a minimum of 5 years in the private sector before they become entrenched at City Hall or on a university campus.)
Other possibilities for a planning career include working outside the USA where, depending on the locale, prospects for money, respect, excitement, adventure, and personal satisfaction, are somewhat better than spending eight hours everyday in some windowless cubicle at your local City Hall writing up zoning variances or reviewing environmental impact reports.
I speak from experience. Windowless cubicles were never for me… my very first full-time job out of grad school was 3 years in Bermuda (where my office had a window), and I’ve worked off-and-on outside the USA ever since. Presently I work in Dubai (my fourth time in this part of the world), where… yes… yes… some might say that I am prostituting myself to greed and outlandish notions of architectural taste. On the latter, one could argue endlessly, but the money in Dubai is good (by US standards) and the excitement factor (as planning jobs go) also quite good. Dubai is one of the few places, for example, where even a relatively junior-level planner can get directly involved in some pretty big and exciting urban design projects.
You need to think about what interests you personally, because if you choose to do something which really excites you (sorry, I know this sounds like a cliché), then success, along with money and all the rest, will come naturally.
I actually was considering
I actually was considering the same question several years ago and applied to both law schools and planning schools. To make a long story short, I ended up with a master's in urban planning, spent a year as a Fulbright scholar in Germany (which was probably more fun than a year of law school), and am now working as an urban planner at a law firm.
Some of the attorneys at my firm do more traditional legal work, researching state regulations and helping government agencies with rule making. While important, I don't find it to be as exciting as the work that I'm doing researching best practice in TOD. I know other "recovering attorneys" who are now leading nonprofits and working as community organizers. The downside of getting a degree in urban planning - the pay scale is lower and it may be a little easier to hang your own hat as an attorney than as a planning consultant.
Either way you go, being really good at what you do matters more and it helps if you enjoy it. If you would be happy to step into the shoes of a municipal attorney, law school may be your best option. If you would rather trade places with some of the planning consultants who are before your planning and zoning commission, planning school may be a better option. If you go to a school with both programs, you may be able to take some classes in the other.
I have a Masters degree in
I have a Masters degree in Community Planning and Development and currently work as an Urban Planner for a small city. The Director of my department is an Attorney. When I started graduate school, I had also considered a law degree or a dual degree in law and urban planning. If I could have done it again, I would have pursued the law degree or the dual degree rather than the Planning degree. Don’t get me wrong...I love my work as Planner but most of what you learn as a Planner happens on the job rather than in a classroom, anyway. A qualified land use attorney is just as viable in this field as I am so long as they are inquisitive and willing to learn about community planning and design. I have to study up on legal requirements all the time for my job so it works both ways. I believe having a law degree offers you greater career flexibility in the long run than a Planning degree will....Simply put, a lawyer can serve as an excellent Planner but I could never get a job as an Attorney.
There are numerous jobs out there for smart people with law degrees, regardless of where that degree is from. A law degree is an indication to potential employers that you are trained to read and write well and to think about things critically - All good qualities. Unless you're on a fast track to work in a high paced, corporate law environment, I also think you'll be suprised how little it matters whether or not you attended Harvard. If you succeed in school and present yourself well, it shouldn't be much of a factor.
I have a Masters degree in
I have a Masters degree in Community Planning and Development and currently work as an Urban Planner for a small city. The Director of my department is an Attorney. When I started graduate school, I had also considered a law degree or a dual degree in law and urban planning. If I could have done it again, I would have pursued the law degree or the dual degree rather than the Planning degree. Don’t get me wrong...I love my work as Planner but most of what you learn as a Planner happens on the job rather than in a classroom, anyway. A qualified land use attorney is just as viable in this field as I am so long as they are inquisitive and willing to learn about community planning and design. I have to study up on legal requirements all the time for my job so it works both ways. I believe having a law degree offers you greater career flexibility in the long run than a Planning degree will....Simply put, a lawyer can serve as an excellent Planner but I could never get a job as an Attorney.
There are numerous jobs out there for smart people with law degrees, regardless of where that degree is from. A law degree is an indication to potential employers that you are trained to read and write well and to think about things critically - All good qualities. Unless you're on a fast track to work in a high paced, corporate law environment, I also think you'll be suprised how little it matters whether or not you attended Harvard. If you succeed in school and present yourself well, it shouldn't be much of a factor.
Go for the law degree!
Go for the law degree!
go for Law degree
Holding a Qualifying Law Degree fulfils the requirements of the Academic Stage of legal training and enables students to proceed to the Vocational Stage of training for legal practice. A number of other jurisdictions internationally also recognise the degree as at least partial fulfilment of the Academic Stage requirements.
Did i miss something?
Unless i am working too hard, i dont recall seeing what area in law you intended to study. Did i miss that? Before even making a suggestion, that is important. Land Use Law is really important in areas where industrial uses are out dated and manufacturing plants USED to be. Real Estate law differs in many was from Land Use as it relates more to property and buildings... Environmental law effects both of these fields as does Corporate law...
What a tangled web we weave!!!