Does Sustainable Development Cost Developers Less?
Does developing a building to LEED standards cost more -- or less -- than conventional development? There's no easy answer.
"Even as the word LEED becomes synonymous with green building, discussion over whether it actually costs more to build to the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design standards continues - and no cut-and-dried answer is in sight.
...Scott puts the cost between 1 percent and 3 percent, especially for commercial buildings. Developers tend to look at retail and other commercial projects on a 20-year timeline, he said. Cost per square foot is typically lowered, and attention to quality - and to potential long-term returns on LEED projects - may not be as focused as it is in public projects, he said."
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The Portland Armory Sustainable? No
Regardless of the real and claimed economics of LEED design using the Portland Armory project as an example only destroys any credibility. In order to acheive "sustainability" with viable economics the Armory project has recieved New Markets Tax Credits, Historic Rehabilitation Tax Credits, Business Energy Tax Credits, property tax abatements, public and private donations, ongoing transit provision and any number of other subsidies along with all the public investment being poured into the Peral District in order to justify its' transit oriented development patterns.
Sustainable Armory
I'm writing to dispute your comments about the Portland Armory and to request an informal debate on the topic.
It is true that Portland Family of Funds created a financing structure including the financial instruments you listed - New Markets Tax Credits, Historics, Business Energy Tax Credits, PDC loan, and tax credit investment from private investors. The result will be the preservation of Portland's second largest 19th century building (and Oregon's largest Armory), the most sustainable building on the National Register of Historic Places, and 4,000 SF of new community space dedicated to education, outreach and interaction. The project is estimated to create hundreds of jobs, millions in new tax revenues and $167 million in total economic impact over 10 years (data generated using IMPLAN software).
The alternative to this type of subsidy financing? Tear it down? Create a fitness club? Build a strip mall?
Who claimed a high level LEED historic project cost less than something else? In fact Portland Family of Funds, PDC, the City, investors, developers, architects - - all knew it would cost much more. The point was to assemble the right combination of tools to create an off the charts demonstration of what Portland could do in sustainable construction and historic preservation.
Ecotrust, just down the street and the first LEED Gold historic building in the US, gets about 50,000 visitors a year. Many from outside Portland. They come and witness, they spend, they hire Portland experts when they want to do similar projects back home.
Like seismic upgrades to buildings--shooting for Platinum LEED on historic buildings costs way too much to do today without alternative financing---------------the whole point in using all the tools you listed is to demonstrate what "might be" economically feasible in the future with an off the chart LEED development.
(You have also missed the point that preserving structures as opposed to putting them in the land fill and building something "new"--has a tremendous environmental impact.)
Historically, government subsidies through tax credits, tax deductions, grants, low interest loans etc. have driven much of the initial round of innovation in this country--which is the policy reason for such tools.
Portland Armory is Urban Renewal not Sustainable
I think you are hung up on a definition of sustainable or perhaps I gave the impression that just because the Armory project is not sustainable that makes it a bad project. Maybe a quick list of what I think the Armory project is and is not will clarify:
The Armory project is:
Adaptive Reuse
Mixed Use
TOD
NU
Public/Private partnership
Historically significant
The Armory is not:
Cost effective
Financially justified
Responsible public policy
Fully internalized wrt impacts
Based on those observations I conclude the Armory project does not qualify as sustainable. By analogy if a ship required constant pumping to merely remain afloat it can still be a useful vessel but don't insist it be labeled seaworth. The Armory remains afloat only because of the constant pumping of public subsidies.
Please Explain
To Mr Cote, I believe you have a point with regards to public investment through tax credits, subsidies etc.
However, I am seriously interested in your understanding of the economics behind LEED and how you understand that in relation to sustainable building methods. Can you also explain the connection between LEED and TOD in the example above?
Partial Explanation
My point was only to show that the Portland Armory was a poor example of a useful set of design guides as the specific results are wholly obscured by numerous errata.
Regards LEED itself, I'm all for it. LEED is the codification of several disciplines each using careful thought in the design, approve, build, operate process for any construction. I've little doubt that most "points" awarded when pursuing sliver/gold/platinum status will generally end up in the total cost of ownership as being near or better than break even -but- (you knew there was a but in here someplace) it is not correct to imply inital costs are going to be within a few percent of conventional development costs. For but one instance mentioned in the article; adding 18 inches to ceiling heights. Think about the plan changes, zoning compliance research, special orders, lighting calculations, preparations of special bid packets for everything from sprinklers to duct work. The design/engineering alone is going to add 3% to the price before the first watt is "saved." And it gets more complex, cement production contributes about 12% of all endogenous CO2 in the atmosphere, in the case of a tilt-up with concrete walls how long until the "savings" makes up for having all that 18 inches of extra wall? There are examples of this kind all through the process. I personally strongly favor minimum site disturbance but that is often a very expensive decision if one less home or even a small percentage of leasable space is lost in the process.
As to TOD, remember TOD requires an ongoing commitment of permanent public funding for transit provision. It isn't optional and it isn't cheap. It is hardly in the spirit of sustainability to encumber future generations with an ongoing cost now is it? I'm not saying it shouldn't be done but it needs to be counted in the sustainability ledger. The Pearl District where the Armory is located is one such egregious example. Commonly lauded as a success the flip side is rarely mentioned such as the multi-year property tax abatements that effectively make the cost to the owner far lower than the market would bear thus hiding a form of unsustainability.
explained well
I believed you explained it well.
The 'sustainable building' in the LEED example demonstrates the public subsidy and the streamlining of permits with green building techniques rather than employing sustainable development principles.
Sure ‘sustainable’ construction methods and operating costs are built in, but as you pointed out these can be easily undermined by simple change orders.
Is LEED just another public subsidy program to promote investment in certain areas?
Sure, some public investment is required as an incentive; however economic sustainability can also be measured for any development investment. So for buildings structures that use sustainable building and operating techniques, the test might be, is it economically viable.
I believe the reason that clear answers are not available with regards to the success of the program lay in the limited measures of the sustainability table.
Sure we include: streamlining approvals and permits; sustainable construction methods; tax credits and abatements; costs of new construction verses renovation; public versus private investments.
However, other measures could include: integrated planning at various governent levels; managing the process by which development occurs; managing the effects of development on the environment; the use of the strucutre following its development, the provision and use of infrastructure, the use of natural resources, effects on ecosystems, health, safety, and amenity.
Partial Explanation 2
You ask:
"Is LEED just another public subsidy program to promote investment in certain areas?"
Like any policy guideline LEED can be perverted to influence outcomes based on personal agenda. I am often reminded that the old Soviet Constitution closely resembled the US Constitution and it was the implementation that made all the difference in practice.
You continue:
"I believe the reason that clear answers are not available with regards to the success of the program lay in the limited measures of the sustainability table."
Devil's Advocate for a few moments; the admirable goal of sustainable development practices is becoming the latest victim of a process of redefinition that uses high sounding common language words and phrases to advance an unspoken agenda. Sustainable development is in danger of becoming just the latest coat of paint on the same old concept of forced urban patterns of high density and government dependence.There are dozens of sustainable advocacy groups. A suprising number are funded with our tax dollars. Examples:
http://sustainable.org/
http://www.smartgrowth.org/
http://www.cnu.org/
http://www.epa.gov/smartgrowth/
http://www.sustdev.org/
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/
http://www.sustainable.doe.gov/
http://www.oregonsolutions.net/
http://www.sustainableportland.org/
Thus the subtle but pervasive language shift. The alternative to smart growth, liveable communities and sustainable development is of course; dumb growth, unliveable community and, unsustainable development. Sounds like the usual "sprawl" denigrations to me. Stealing the language is the most insidious technique of these types of progressives. See? It becomes the "progressive" vs. "regressives." They had to make this shift because the old "socialists" vs. the "asocials" started being successfully decoded. Even socialist is nothing more than these same types abandoning their "communal" vs. the "anti-community" when communist got a dirty name.
This all LEEDs somewhere (sorry, couldn't resist). A lot of the LEED principles are best implemented and most effective in the exurb portions of the transect. This result in a planning paradox as most planners wish to rank sprawl as the least sustainable urban development pattern. Let's see by example:
Everyone agrees "sustainable"== good growth.
With that we can establish an enumerable, values based public policy. LEED is exactly just such an effort.
Every enumerable description of sustainable "proves" Los Angeles is NOT sprawled and conforms to many sustainable practice policies. Nearly everyone's gut tells them otherwise. Ask yourself why this is. I know why and the answer should lead planners to revisit their assumptions as to the relative merits of different development patterns.
Higher residential densities, just like LA.
Higher transit usage, just like LA.
Fewer roads per capita, just like LA.
Greater public dedications, just like LA.
Higher carpooling, just like LA.
New subways, just like LA.
Stricter emissions, just like LA (& Calif.).
Regional governance, just like LA.
See the planner paradox? Everything they think they want regards anti-sprawl and sustainable yields... Los Angeles their icon of bad planning.
policy models
Thank you for your thoughts.
I don't want to confuse the issues between 'smart growth' and 'sustainable development'. I believe the two issues are different even though many equate smart growth polices with SD principles and initiatives.
For example and without being to simplistic, smart growth is a land use based policy model to manage growth based upon the assumption that sprawl casues negative economic vitality (ie endless driving and frequent traffic jams, aggravated pollution, fragmented communities, degraded rural and natural areas, services and infrastructure fiscal burdens). Correct!?
However, as mentioned above, just one fundamental principle of SD is intergenerational equity and the SD model includes strategies that are meant to be used in a wider policy delivery platform and include:
-Policy integration in environmental, economic and social plan making.
-Intergenerational strategies and indicators.
-Analysis and assessments to identify the environmental, economic and social costs and benefits of public policy initives.
-Indicators and targets to monitor progress.
-Co-ordination of government departments and agencies.
-Local and regional authorities involved in development and delivery of policy.
-Stakeholder participation with government to deliver strategies and policies.
-Independent monitoring and evaluating processes.
The difference is like a rubic cube puzzle verses a 5 piece card board cut out!
SD As Public Policy
I too want SD to remain untainted by those seeking to advocate specific patterns. Sustainable Development practices should as you note be incorporated into general planning principles. It would be a shame to see SD to start getting political in its' criteria. Perusing the LEED checklist at: https://www.usgbc.org/Docs/LEEDdocs/LEED-NC_checklist-v2.1.xls we see some potential for abuse. One point awarded each for; transit access, alternative fuel vehicles, and reduced parking. These are more of the same conclusion driven rationalizations that discredit some New Urbanism precepts. Just what is sustainable about and alternative fuel vehicle? Is a Ford F-150 Dual Cab Stretch Bed turbodiesel that includes 20% recycled fryer oil in its' tank an AFV? These are the problems when agenda interferes with the measurements of sustainability. The same thing with parking. Let me relate a story. The City of Oxnard held a public hearing for a proposed megastrip development to include a Walmart and Sam's Club eat each end. The strip developer (not Walmart) had proposed reducing parking requirements 20% "as a way to encourage the employees to carpool and take transit." They had to clear the chambers before order could be restored from the outrage. Adequate parking no more causes congestion than dinner plates cause obesity. As to transit access, that can go either way as well. If limited public resources are diverted from adequate roads to fund the transit thus causing more congestion that is certainly not a sustainable policy.
The only SD policy that truly concerns me is coordinated regional planning. As one of the unfortunate neighbors to Los Angeles County we know full well that in a regional governance situation which way the wind would blow. We already know from the ongoing disasterous State intrusion intro "housing fair share" issues. Bill Fulton wrote for Reason on this very issue: http://www.rppi.org/ps288.pdf a few years ago. The regional planning agency SCAG (Southern California Association of Governments) literally dumped hundreds of thousands of homes on the areas of the region with orderly growth so that they could share their fair portion of the pain wildly expanding areas like the Antelope Valley and Inland Empire were experiencing. The same problem exists with things like siting landfills. No one doubts that the results of a "fair and open process" would locate a new regional landfill in Ventura County as opposed to Los Angeles County. As to Sustainable, in this case Ventura County made a bold move towards SD and decided to not open a new landfill at all and concentrate on source reduction, diversion and recycling. Regionalism is generally the kind of lowest common denominator kind of answer I hope sustainable developemnt practices prevent.
How government creates more parking and less housing
Mr. Cote quotes Bill Fulton's RPPI report in support of his assertion that regional governments "dumped thousands of thouands of homes on the areas of the region with orderly growth." But in fact, Fulton does not complain about too MUCH new housing, but too little, asserting in the report's conclusion (p. 26) that "most cities have not adjusted their plans to accommodate expected housing demand, creating conditions that are likely to lead to further housing-price escalation."
Cote also asserts that "Adequate parking no more causes congestion than dinner plates cause obesity." If parking was supplied by the free market and paid for by consumers, perhaps I would agree.
But in fact, government effectively orders developers to provide large amounts of parking - usually free parking, because parking laws create such a glut of parking that it isn't worth a developer's while to charge for parking.
If government ordered developers to provide tenants with free pizza, don't you think tenants would eat more pizza? So why shouldn't government-mandated free parking mean tenants will "eat" more parking by driving alone more?
In other words, the dinner plate analogy actually supports the idea that parking requirements increase congestion, by showing that when government mandates free provision of a good or service (food/parking) more people will use that good or service (by eating more/driving more). And if more people drive, that means more congestion.
There is no free parking
Lewyn is correct when he characterizes Fulton's RPPI report as diametrically opposed to my views. I included the reference as a measure of counterbalance not support.
Fulton's work in Ventura county is technically worthless. Setting aside his confusion of cause and
effect conclusions, Fulton used faulty data. There is no affordability
crisis in Ventura County, prices are rising but time on market is not changing from historical norms.
Were the housing truly unaffordable the reverse would be true. What has
happened is far simpler, housing in Ventura County is far more desirable
-because- of the strict development policies he cites. Fulton is incorrect
that the "plans" do not reflect reality, the truth is that the plans express
planner wishes to produce an unrealistic outcome. The "planned densities"
that are rarely approved were and are not targets they are caps. The
cumulative effect of capped density combined with the inevitable
unanticipated development has actually resulted in increasing densities far
above every General Plan in the County. The "housing shortage" is in fact
nothing more than our MPO, SCAG dumping an excess of housing "demand" on
those the sub-regions with the least political power (or will) to object.
SCAG calls this their "fair share" housing target as part of State mandated
regional planning. Ask yourself where the 12 million LA County residents
would prefer the additional 9 million new residents expected in the existing
region of 16 million would locate?
I won't burden you with the technical analysis of Fulton's 55% housing
shortfall that is only 9% using his own worst case numbers unless you are
interested. Suffice it to say that Fulton's "inner planner" is threatened
by things like Ventura Counties' SOAR and Californias' Prop 13 type
populism. Heck, he's not only a critic, he's on the city council!
Then Solimar President and now Ventura city councilmember
Fulton lied in order to advance an agenda. It's been a long time but let me
dig up my collective refutations of the assumptions used by Fulton. This is
gonna be long but you brought it up and I have done the work. The essence
of the lie is that Fulton tries with statistics to show Ventura County
"closing the door" to its' "fair share" of a then expected massive influx of
SoCal population. The methods he employed were to use the highest numbers
from the largest study areas at the worst case and then compound each and
then extrapolate forward from the highest rates he could assemble. Lucky
for me the last 4 years of data have proven me right and Fulton wrong.
First the math errors:
In “Smart Growth in Action” Fulton wrote:
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Ventura County will likely need at least 312,000 housing units
by 2020—a projected increase of 60,000 units (24 percent) over
the 2000 housing stock of 252,000 units. This is close to the
estimate that advocates of SOAR used as they urged citizens to
pass the initiative. Yet, under current policies, the planned
capacity of the county is targeted at somewhere between only
293,500 and 298,500 housing units—an increase of between just
41,500 and 46,500 units, or 16.5 percent and 18.5 percent over
the existing housing stock. This, however, is the highest number
that might be approved. Since 1996, cities in Ventura County have
approved development projects at densities much lower than planned
capacities, generally falling 20 percent below zoned capacities
and 45 percent below General Plan capacities. Thus, the likely
future housing development in the county under current planning
policies and entitlement practices will generate about 33,000
units: 55 percent below the regional planning agency’s housing
target for 2020.
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The regional housing “target” for 2020 is 312,000. The shortfall Fulton
projected as 14,500 to 19,500 is a shortfall of (14,500/312,000 to
19,500/312,000) units or 4.6 to 6.3 percent of the theoretical projections.
Even using Fulton's worst case scenario of final approvals trending 20 to
45% below max design densities (not capacities BTW) the shortfall becomes at
his compounded extremes, 80% of (293,500 – 252,000) or 284,000 DUs. And an
inconsequential 9% shortfall using Fultons lowest values for each
projection.
That's the math part were a percentage of a percentage makes for a scary but
mathematically useless number. The real failing in Fulton's planner based
hatred of Ventura County land use policies lies in his presumptions. I said
presumptions not assumptions because that's precisely what is going on. The
regional planners of SoCal are presiding of an insanity projection and they
desperately want Ventura County to join in the insanity so they look less
insane on average.
Recognize the sleight-of-hand baseline Fulton used with his shift to
SCAGs “fair share” recommendations when he mentions “the regional planning
agency’s housing target for 2020” but I find it out of context when there is
no mention of SCAG as being identified as the regional planning agency when
the discussion is supposedly one of Ventura County. Additionally many are
familiar with the “off the record” explanation SCAG has given for the
exporting of “fair share” housing allocations to the outer areas. So, in
short if you want to use scary
numbers like 55% shortfalls you need to make clear that you are changing
measures from the Legal/planning authority of city/county to the
recommendations of the LA dominated coordinating agency that has no planning
power.
From my discussion with Mr. Fulton:
[with permission and apologies for the local color]
Thank you for your comments. Let me clarify our numbers.
1. What is the percentage shortfall?
If I understand your argument, you believe it is misleading for us to
characterize the potential housing shortfall in terms of the projected
increase in housing, rather than the overall amount of housing.
That is:
Currently there are 252,000 housing units and the SCAG housing target, if
one accepts it, is to increase that number by 60,000, to 312,000 units.
Our report states that we believe the plans have an overall capacity of
41,000 to 46,000, and that since projects tend to be approved at somewhere
around 80% of plan capacity, we believe that the actual likely increase in
housing under current plans is about 33,000 units, for a total of 284,000
units, or 28,000 units below the SCAG target..
We note in the report that 33,000 is 55% of 60,000. I believe that you would
have preferred that we state that 284,000 is 91% of 312,000.
I would have no problem with you worst case 55% number -if- you can
reasonably distinguish the stock of 1 year old to 10 year old housing -from-
the existing stock of any age as it relates to this supposedly -separate-
category of total stock. Seeing as once a house is sold for the first time
it becomes part of the total existing stock I think you've set for yourself
a very difficult task. Wouldn't it be much easier to call the shortfall 9%
in your worst case projections rather than assuming as you do an ongoing
pessimistic environment of lowest (below trend) approval rates and highest
(above trend) sustained population growth rates and unprecedented reversal
of demographic (persons per DU) trends?
Once SCAG's [I note, you didn't address Mark Pisano's SCAG excuses]
assignment of "fair share" is adjusted to represent the actual documented
trends (FI, higher persons per DU) and a regional proportional share (rather
than the controversial "fair share") and you acknowledge that your use of
mid-90s rather than the long term basal growth rates for the county and you
account for an average approval rate for new housing and you factor in the
exogenous addition of "unanticipated" housing you will find that not only
does your theoretical shortfall disappear but we have a surplus relative to
trend. Factor in the outstanding pre-approved developments (approx 14,000)
and the theoretical surplus balloons. Example time. Take Oxnard, please.
(Note to trans; Oxnard is the proverbial punching clown of municipalities,
hit it and it comes back for more and never learns.) Oxnards' just
"managed" to "approve" another 402 house west of Patterson Rd. and north of
Gonzales. County policy has been since 1982 that there will be no
development there. Things change for the more and denser as well as for the
less dense.
I know that's a big first sentence (even for a planner ). Let's
deconstruct. (Most is familiar to you but for the benefit of the general
audience.)
-SCAG saying that 312,000 DU are needed.-
Southern California Association of Governments (SCAG) region; Los Angeles
County, Ventura and Orange Counties, San Bernardino and Riverside Counties,
and Imperial County. Where you and I live it is about 300 miles to the other
side of this "region." The regional housing needs is based on the regional
growth. Riverside and San Bernadino counties along with the LA County
Antelope Valley experienced unprecedented growth in the last two decades.
Averaging out future housing demands from such disparate places is the
equivilant of an anorexic and obese person standing on the scale dividing by
two and thinking they are normal. As a specific, sub-region North Los
Angeles County aka the Antelope Valley is expecting a 150% increase 2000 to
2020 adding roughly the entire current population of Ventura county to the
study area. Thus the old joke that I'm sure you've heard in the halls at
SCAG; "Q: What do you get when you combine Ventura, Los Angeles, San
Bernadino, Riverside, Orange and Imperial Counties? Ans: Los Angeles."
IMO your use of the advisory SCAG "fair share" allocation is merely fishing
for the highest believable number.
-The trend to dramatically increasing persons per DU.-
Frankly, except for Oxnard, this surprised me. The 2k census:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06111.html
Showing 3.04 persons per DU basically cuts the future number of DUs by 6%
right upfront and, if the trend continues, another 3-5% every decenial
period.
-The blip in basal growth rates last decade.-
As you know different places grow at different paces. LA has always grown
faster and now Ventura is tossed in with San Bernardino and Riverside as
well. This doesn't change our growth only the expectations of our fair
share as part of a larger place that is suffering quite visibly from their
internal growth. Ventura has recently (1983 to be picky) increased their
population growth rate. Perhaps permanently but once again I find your
projections to be a compounded extreme. Pick the highest housing needs.
Pick the highest historical growth rate. All numerator values. As we see
below your projections then switch from highest projection to lowest
believable projections or data whichever is lower.
-Existing "stock" of demand dependent approvals.-
Plannerspeak, I apologize. As you know there's a popular fiction out there
in the Counties' cities about "limiting annual housing allocations." Yeah
right. You and I know full well that in addition to the ongoing rate of
construction there exists a large pool of pre-approved housing. Were you to
use the approval rate instead of actual housing starts as I said above your
number of shortfall would be wiped out. Another case of choosing the most
extremely favorable number you can find.
-The trend of approving far in excess of CEQA reportage.-
Oxnard (and Camarillo and Moorpark) lie. IMO Camarillo lies the most but
that's only opinion. Oxnard being the most inept at masking their agenda is
the easiest target. Hey as a personal aside, did you know thar community
development director, Matt Winegar now lives down the street from me in
Sterling Hills over in Camarillo? Sends his kids to the Mesa Union School
with mine. There's an endorsement eh?
I believe that the math is correct in both cases. As we were discussing
likely future housing production, we chose, as researchers and analysts
often do, to characterize the potential shortfall in terms of future growth
rather than the base.
Formal mathematics notwithstanding that is not a "housing shortfall." You
are describing a construction shortfall. You want to describe a
construction shortfall? Fine we aren't building housing units at a rate
sufficient to match a mega-regional demand calculation as disproportionately
burdened on our sub-region. That's the extent of your 55% shortfall. For
more perspective put it in context of either the US or just California. If
you do that then you can report Ventura County is ahead of state and
national trends in accommodating their area growth in households.
2. SCAG's role and SCAG's numbers.
SCAG is obligated under state law to allocate needed regional housing on a
jurisdiction-by-jurisdiction basis, and the jurisdictions are obligated
under state law to attempt to meet local housing need in a regional context,
though of course they can challenge SCAG's numbers, which many are doing.
Lets look at which "jurisdictions" (a word for the actual
responsible planning agencies) are objecting to SCAG's (-coordinating- not
responsible for anything more than internal agency) "allocation." Easy, the
politically under represented and the outlying responsible agencies which
"coincidentally" are also the over allocated agencies. Come on. You talk
to Piasno as I do. You know that not only is the SCAG allocation
disproportionate but as a researcher you know their population projections
are questionable.
I hear rumblings at high levels that SCAG has failed to find a purpose that
satisfies anyone. Places like Ventura County are pissed that SCAG blindly
adds Newhall Ranch to RTPs and growth projections, the Valley is pissed that
they can't get answer to any questions that favor their analysis but
negative assessments appear regularly. The whole place is worried that if
SCAG ever gets any power, it will become an LA city political enforcer. The
joke among a lot of us is: Q: What do you get when you combine LA, Orange,
San Berdoo, and Ventura counties? Ans: LA County.
There's a lot to that. Any guesses where the 12 million would vote to
put the new landfill?
In
the meantime, the SCAG figure was the only government-adopted target
available to us on a countywide basis.
Not true. CEQA. Mandatory state documents. 20 year general plans
inclusive. Tom Berg will give them to you if walk in. Need an intro?
It may be that SCAG is "fiddling" with the numbers to export housing to
outlying counties, but we did not believe it was the purpose of this study
to second-guess whatever targets SCAG sets under a process required by state
law.
But you -did resort to second guessing- when the subject was SOAR and the
purpose of SOAR with respect to exactly the same thing. Don't you see the
contradiction? Your assumption that SOAR would not influence trend while
trusting that SCAG was defining the trend. IMO neither is all right or all
wrong BUT I do think consistency is in order and I don't see that in your
projections.
We hope to do more sophisticated housing demand analyses for Ventura
County in the future.
Don't restrict it to just demand. You weren't around in 1988-89 when the
Oxnard 2020 general plan was being "debated." Ralph Shumacher was on the
committee. He later admitted that the CEQA numbers were literally divided
by three so as not to shock the voters. He was right. I got up and said;
"No development west of Patterson" three times and then LAFCO exec Stan
Eisener (sp?) said in support; "what he just said." You know what happened
last month? That's right development west of Patterson that is not in SCAG
or CEQA or Vcounty projections.
In any event, as I have stated repeatedly in public since our report came
out in December,
Doesn't it seem at all worthy of immediate reconsideration given the amount
of objection?
no matter what anyone might think future housing demand in
Ventura County is or should be, our analysis found that likely future
housing production under existing plans is 33,000, which represents only a
13% increase over the current housing stock -- a number likely to be
insufficient over the long term under any scenario.
This is where we can disagree respectfully. I think worst case is not
possible in the real world with so many variables interacting. As a
respected researcher you know that cumulative variation is a small fraction
of the total worst case maximum variation yet you persist on using exactly
that type of worst case. At that you acknowledge that your worst case is
not recursive in that it does not assume any effect of supply restriction on
demand.
3. Assumptions of growth under SOAR
I am a little confused about your comments about the impact of SOAR on urban
growth patterns. In your letter to me, at the very end you seemed to suggest
that we should not have assumed that current growth rates would be
maintained under SOAR.
Yes. I agree it is a nonlinear relationship. I would present in rebuttal
the numerous claims to the contrary. Yours included. This is one of my
objections to your generally evaluation of SOAR.
I would point out that (1) SOAR did not alter zoning
or land-use regulation on a single parcel of land in Ventura County, and (2)
Smart Growth advocates frequently argue that the purpose of urban growth
boundaries such as SOAR's is not to suppress growth but to channel it into
particular geographical locations. I plead guilty to using these as
underlying context assumptions.
Guilty in a good way. I am constantly battling the (1) misperceptions you
correctly describe. SOAR only changes the venue of land use change approval
from the Board/Council to a public majority vote. The first serious
proposals are likely to be Santa Paula Canyons and Moorpark again.
I do, however, resent the Smart Urban Growth (SmUG) parallel advocacy claim.
SOAR is in no way an UGB. You know this and in fact just said so in the
preceding sentence where you make it clear that SOAR did nothing in the way
of Nurbanist rezoning agendas. I would separate the causal truism that SOAR
prevents outward urbanization from the unassociated effect that the
urbanization -must- turn inward. NURBs would like that to be the case but
it is not part nor intent of the SOAR plan. Gerard Kapuscik and I would
love to have you over to discuss this further.
Sorry for the delay in responding. I spent a lot of time looking at your
sprawl_color.pdf looking for enlightenment.
----end fulton exchange----
Likewise, inclusionary zoning mandates--requiring some homes be sold below
market prices at "affordable" rates--leads to cuts in housing supply as well.
See _http://www.rppi.org/ps320.pdf_ (http://www.rppi.org/ps320.pdf)
It's worse than the report indicates. Affordable housing advocates don't
like this but all of their schemes involve
"sharing" as in "we are going to take your money, limit your investment
potential and make your neighborhood less desirable."
The upshot is that it is not "impossible" to restrict housing supply, in
fact it is a frequent occurrence.
I never said anything of the kind. I said it is impossible to have a
persistent housing shortage. It's easy to restrict supply, even demand but
as long as there is a market, there will be no shortage. What you see and
want to call restrictions on supply are actually quality of life and
homeowner asset protections.
Regards,
Robert
[References below]
Adrian Moore
Reason
And?
Seriously. You got low taxes, high equity, admirable quality of life, etc.
I live 50 miles west of Los Angeles so I know. Do you ski? I've got a ski
cabin up in Wrightwood, we could bust some middle aged sized moguls. ;-)
There's a lot of competing interests pushing and pulling SoCal housing
prices. Liberal and/or Conservatives are not among those reasons.
Let me say this loud and clear:
THERE IS NO HOUSING SHORTAGE.
It's impossible. What we have is an excessive and unreasonable
(unsustainable) housing demand. It isn't supply constricted it is demand
overloaded. Big deal. We (you and I) were smart and lucky and in the right
place at the right time. Sue us. Just don't rumble on in with bulldozers
and guns and take our QoL and give it to other people.
I've had my eye on 3 acres on the coast just south of Santa Barbara. My
Brother-in-law bought it for 1/4 million and the only fair thing is that he
sell it to me a fair price or else be forced to subdivide so more can enjoy
what he has.
Regards,
Robert
Publications:
"Smart Growth in Action: Housing Capacity and Development in Ventura
County," a report by Ventura-based Solimar Research Group and the Reason
Public Policy Institute: http://www.rppi.org/ps288.html
"Smart Growth In Action, Part 2: Case Studies In Housing Capacity And
Development From Ventura County, California," by Solimar:
http://www.solimar.org/pdfs/ps311.pdf
"Raising The Roof: California Housing Development Projections and
Constraints, 1997-2020," a report by the California Department of Housing
and Community Development: http://www.hcd.ca.gov/hpd/hrc/rtr/int1r.htm.
"Locked Out: California's Affordable Housing Crisis," by the California
Budget Project:
http://www.cbp.org/2000/r0005loc.htm
"Sprawl Hits the Wall: Confronting the Realities of Metropolitan Los
Angeles," a report by the Southern California Studies Center at USC and the
Brookings Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy:
http://www.brook.edu/es/urban/la/abstract.htm.
"Out of Reach 2003: America's Housing Wage Climbs," a comparison of wages
and rents in every county in the nation by the National Low Income Housing
Coalition: http://www.nlihc.org/oor_current/
"Farming on the Edge," a report by the American Farmland Trust on the loss
of farmland to urban development:
http://www.farmland.org/farmingontheedge/index.htm
Regional organizations, programs
• Bay Area Alliance for Sustainable Communities :
http://www.bayareaalliance.org/
• California Center for Regional Leadership:
http://www.calregions.org/home.php
• California Futures Network: http://www.calfutures.org/.
• Great Valley Center: http://www.greatvalley.org/
• Joint Venture Silicon Valley: http://www.jointventure.org/
• Metropolitan Forum Project : http://www.metroforum.org/index.php
• San Diego Dialogue: http://www.sandiegodialogue.org/
• Tri-Valley Business Council: http://www.trivalley.org/
• Valley Vision: http://www.valleyvision.org/
• Greenbelt Alliance: http://www.greenbelt.org/
• Placer Legacy Open Space and Agricultural Conservation Program:
http://www.placer.ca.gov/planning/legacy/
• Sonoma County Agricultural Preservation and Open Space District:
http://www.sonoma-county.org/opensp/
• Center for Livable Communities: http://www.lgc.org/center/
Local organizations
• SOAR: http://www.soarusa.org/
• Ventura County Civic Alliance: http://www.vccf.org/civicalliance/
• Ojai Valley Land Conservancy: http://www.ovlc.org/
• Ventura County Planning Division: http://www.ventura.org/planning/
• Ventura County Farm Bureau: http://www.vcfarmbureau.com/
• Ventura Local Agency Formation Commission:
http://www.ventura.lafco.ca.gov/
• Ventura County Transportation Commission:
http://www.goventura.org/
• Ag Futures Alliance: http://www.agfuturesalliance.net/
Industry and professional groups
• National Association of Home builders: http://www.nahb.org/
• California Association of realtors: http://www.car.org/
• California Building Industry Association: http://www.cbia.org/
• American Planning Association, California Chapter:
http://www.calapa.org/
As to free parking:
http://exurbannation.blogspot.com/2005/10/free-parking.html